Official name revealed for local civic centre

Truth Squad

- November 8, 2012 at 16:18:51

Jeff Johnston, time to move on to more important things. "They" say "ignorance is bliss", but in your case what Charles Darwin once said would be more accurate, "ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." Cheers!

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Truth Squad

- November 6, 2012 at 20:47:09

Jeff Johnston, play word games all you want, it does not change that you are wrong about the motivations of those involved with the civic center project. The problem with your elitist theory is that if it were true, the “bureaucrats” would have already built their own hockey arena, they would not need our help. Who is really taking food off people's tables and subsidizing the rich?? That would be the provincial government, giving money to Irving, letting Nova Scotia Power continue to raise rates, raising taxes, and the list goes on. Contact your local MLA, Lenore Zann, and rant to her, (you can even include your education system issues). The beauty of a democracy, aside from being able to read all your conspiracy theories, is that the voter is in control. If town council decisions on apartment developments, or the location of tennis courts, or their inaction on flood issues, are unpopular and unwanted by the people of the town, then when an election comes around, vote them out. Truro just had a chance to make some changes at the council table, and chose to stay with most of the same people where possible. Hopefully, when the next election rolls around, the people of Truro will hold the council accountable for the decisions they make over the next 4 years.

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  Jeff Johnston

  - November 7, 2012 at 11:57:40

  Hey Mr. Truth Squad , I'm not playing word games , just speaking the truth . The bureaucratic class's actions speak for themselves . If they had any sense of charity they would have given cash to the poor ( Not Poverty Pimps ). As far as Irving and Nova Scotia Power , I speak out about those issues too . How does that excuse what's going on in Truro ? Your just trying to misdirect . The bureaucratic class in Truro is selfishly turning Truro into a country club / gated community with $$$ gates , while bulldozing over anything that serves the community , and taking food off of people's tables to pay for it . They also keep taxes high and engage in Boss Hogg / Click Politics . This is why people have been saying for years that this is a bad area to do business . Now they're talking about bulldozing over apartment buildings that are "unsightly". This is because they offer lower rents then many of the high cost / mega grant apartments . Just like they are shutting down lower cost recreational facilities . They are bullies . And you my friend are a boot licker .

Truth Squad

- November 3, 2012 at 14:04:17

Jeff Johnston, With any luck you have read the Daily News this morning, in particular the article from the co-chairs regarding the naming of the civic center. Where do you come up with your conspiracy theories? Do aliens visit you? Again, an apology is in order for your rude, ignorant, inaccurate comments towards Mr. Rath and Mr. Bragg. If you are going to talk the talk and keep infusing your comments with religious content, then time to also walk the walk, and apologize.

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  Jeff Johnston

  - November 5, 2012 at 12:40:59

  Hey Mr. Truth Squad , my reference to fatcats and bureaucrats refers to a whole variety of people , which I never specifically mentioned Mr. Bragg or Mr. Rath . But oh my goodness , don't anyone say anything about them . They had absolutely nothing to do with anything .They're only putting their names on the building and publicly endorsing this 50 million dollar act of economic terrorism . Now we must all bow and kneel to them , worship the civic center and open our wallets . Mr . Truth Squad you must be the biggest boot licker in Truro . It seems every time the bureaucratic class wants something , everyone else pays for it , then they top it off with their donations / tax write offs . Then they go off and have their little golf tournament . This is poser philanthrophy . The poor subsidizing the rich . Just like the Marigold Center , which lowered the quality and increased the cost of local entertainment . And some of the luxury apartments around town $1000+ that received massive grants under low cost housing . It seems some people when they make a few million , they think they own the town and everyone else's wallets . Maybe we should start boycotting businesses like Eastlink and Stanfield's . And get the mental health system out of the schools and stop drugging all the children . The new philanthropy is taking food off people's tables , drugging children , and subsidizing a spoiled bureaucratic class in their quest for a sense of elitism .

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  Me

  - November 5, 2012 at 14:43:25

  @Jeff Johnston: I'm honestly starting to wonder if you're really sincere or if Poe's Law applies in this case. Also, I sort-of-ish-not-really take offense to your comment about the mental health system. Because I hope you do realize that mental illness is a very real issue and won't go away. How do I know? First-hand experience. As in myself.

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  FORMER TORY

  - November 6, 2012 at 10:46:56

  Hear Hear JJ! .....you are so right on all levels including Truth Squad, i think they are the biggest boot licker in Truro too!

SM

- November 2, 2012 at 12:20:40

Mr Rath has been making contributions to our town, both financial and physical, for decades, and thankfully so, I suspect he will continue to do so, regardless of the attitudes of a bitter few who have used this forum as a podium to shout their misinformed even ignorant opinions. He has been a leader, a proactive citizen, and a gentleman. The hundreds of contributions that he has made in the past have gone without fanfare, without acknowledgement, without even a handshake. Some of you have actually made that point when you used the new Hospital as an example. WHO DO YOU THINK MADE THE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTIONS TO THAT PROJECT, and is there any name attached to that contribution ? Of course not, these men don't want fanfare or a pat on the back, Mr Rath is as sincerely GENEROUS an individual that you will ever meet. And whoever mentioned the Junior A Bearcats, that is the pinnacle of NAIVE. Owning a junior A hockey team is not a money maker, this is not the Halifax Mooseheads! Mr Rath is a hockey fan, a real one, and this team has been and continues to be a passion for him. A passion that COSTS him money, not makes him money, and that is a fact, not an opinion. That team has contributed financially to the education of every player since its inaugural season in 1998, more importantly his team has always made education a moral priority for it's players. Not wanting the building, claiming it is too expensive, not liking it's location those are all legitimate complaints, but attacking the integrity of these two individuals is reprehensible and grossly inappropriate.

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  Jeff Johnston

  - November 2, 2012 at 15:27:32

  Forget feeding your family . Mr. Rath is a hockey fan . We must all do our part . Picking people's pockets is the new philanthropy . We're so kind that we're taking away your chicken dinner so the bureaucratic class can have a sense of elitism . Tell Tiny Tim he can go without tonight .

Truth Squad

- November 1, 2012 at 19:54:43

Mr Jeff Johnston, first you can apologize to both Mr Rath and Mr Bragg, calling them fat cats is rude and ignorant. I cannot speak for Mr Bragg, (I am sure he is a great man), but I can tell you Mr Rath is a very kind and generous man, who has a passion for this area and the people in it. The "they" you are referring to would be the town council, not Mr Rath and Mr Bragg, who have approved and voted for all the issues you are complaining about. And when Truro had the chance to try and change things, they, (including you sir), voted in the same people. The only bully is you, spewing your religious rhetoric, complaining and tearing apart those who are actually doing something for the greater good of everyone. If you are not going to get out from behind your computer and become involved, then please be respectful, appreciative and thankful to those who are out there making a difference.

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  Jeff Johnston

  - November 2, 2012 at 09:40:03

  Hey Mr . Truth Squad , you keep on licking those boots while good people everywhere will keep standing up for the truth . People have tried to be involved , and have faced persecution , have been ignored , not responded to , the public was shut out of the political debates . Varies agencies have tried to ruin people that try to become involved . What do you know ? They've got the mental health system in the schools drugging all the children . There's a bureaucratic class living in a dream world that like to go on spending sprees so they can have a sense of elitism . And they're taking food off of people's tables to do it .

Truro RES

- November 1, 2012 at 08:10:43

Has anyone checked out the civic center's website? I found this at the bottom of the FAQ page and the description of this pie chart at the following link http://www.ignitethespirit.ca/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Pie-Chart.jpg states: "Capital funding for the new civic centre will be derived from all three levels of government (federal / provincial / municipal) as well as a community fund raising effort. The pie chart to the right illustrates the contributions from each funding source (in millions of dollars). The total project cost is expected to be $47.8 million." And the Pie chart breaks down as the following: County of Colchester $13.76 Million Town of Truro - $9.2 Million Govt of Canada - $10 Million Province of NS - $9.52 Million Local Fundraising - $5.5 Million

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  Jeff Johnston

  - November 1, 2012 at 09:33:05

  This is in addition to the 20 Million Dollar downtown master plan . They spent 75 years worth of town council budgets , even though they were only elected for 4 year terms . Truro has been permanently damaged . This is why there was hardly any good new candidates in the last election . No one wanted to inherit this mess . Many of the new candidates wanted to go on spending sprees of their own . All these "My Legacy" people that wanted to make Truro great , Truro already was great , and they ruined it . Truro is not Halifax or Toronto . Truro is a small town and a lot of people like that . We needed low cost high impact projects and lower taxes . Not speeding sprees from 2 year olds . It's pure gluttony , and then on top of that they try to talk about their kindness and generosity while they take food off peoples tables . They are bullies .

Mr. Slappy

- October 31, 2012 at 12:42:26

What a lot of you are missing is the fact the amount these 2 gave is very hush hush. Why? Because if we did know we'd be even more irate. This center could have been named over and over in 5 year million dollar contracts that cover the operating costs....but no....It's been given the worst name I've ever heard permanetly for the sake of a couple hundred grand.....money which will quickly be recouped by Rath in Bearcats ticket and concession sales. This latest faux pas has sealed the deal that I will never set foot in the place, and I'm one of only 14 people in Truro who can actually afford to!

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Jeff Johnston

- October 31, 2012 at 11:38:15

Mr . Rath also owns the bearcats so has his own interests tied up in this . There is nothing kind , generous , philothantric about local fat cats hijacking 50 Million dollars of the peoples money to pay for this . They are taking food off of peoples tables and shutting down more affordable recreation facilities . This is bullying . Not everyone has a bureaucratic salary , and some of the "business elite" seem to like the high taxes because it shuts out their competition . High property taxes on homes and businesses prevent people from owning and utilizing land . We need to empower our own people to create good jobs rather then trying to attract people to the area . Local business closures are a big deal . Many Big Box Stores are an over built infrastructure dependent on cheap Chinese imports and bailout money . They will close their doors just as quickly as the call center once the money stops flowing . Free access recreation could have been set up for a few hundred thousand , and would have at least given people something back for their tax dollars . Then we could have taken the 50 Million Dollars for the Civic Center , the 20 Million Dollars for the Downtown Master Plan and dropped the taxes . Some people are living in a dream world . During the Fall of Rome they started building big stadiums in small towns .

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  Kit

  - November 6, 2012 at 12:04:56

  I'm an archaeology major and my specialization is the Near East. I can confirm your last sentence there is a load of horse hockey; in fact amphitheatres were largely useless because the empire was turning Christian and interest in large spectacles-- particularly gladiatorial combat-- was, needless to say, waining. Do try not to make things up... it makes your rants even more comical when you do.

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  Jeff Johnston

  - November 6, 2012 at 16:17:43

  Hey Kit , you're exactly what I'm talking about when I refer to the bureaucratic class . They purchase some BS degree from the Educational Industrial Complex , then once they graduate they walk over everyone else , giving themselves a Fat Check for a Fake Job . My comment about the Fall of Rome is completely accurate , and I don't see what your point is except trying to prove yourself . How does people not using amphitheaters mean I'm making things up when I refer to Rome wasting money building big stadiums in small towns ? During the Fall of Rome many people were living in sin and people that did not want to repent and give up the sin would try to validate themselves with fake causes and trophy projects . Just like today we see the Global Warming Cult and other fake causes trying to ram their agendas down our throats as well as people going on spending sprees . In Rome everything was squandered while productivity went down the tubes . The high taxes from the squander , fake work and greed destroyed business and agriculture , making it unaffordable . The fat cats that manipulated the system then exploited people as slave labour . People need to repent and follow Jesus . Where the spirit of the Lord is there is liberty . Maybe you should read something besides History 101 . Specifically the Holy Bible .

Colchester Resident

- October 31, 2012 at 11:28:23

I think it is great to get new facilities in a community -- but if you compare prices to other areas, as per all facilities in Truro it is highly overpriced making it a negative impact to the community. Very unfortunate to see another overpriced "community" project.

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Kevin

- October 31, 2012 at 09:25:19

A lot of negative thinking toward major projects like this requiring significant funding is by tax payers that are already stretched to the limit and concerned things may get worse. I just had to look long and hard at whether I could afford house insurance. And following the decision for the getting insurance had to have family discussions on how we can significantly cut our grocery bill even further. So yes this makes for negative attitude when paying over $2500 in municipal water bill and taxes a year for an old house valued at below $100,000. Large municipal expenditures could easily cause taxes to rise even faster than the combination of ever climbing appraisal system and rate increase does. Families and persons with incomes in the six figures usually don’t have this concern and often puzzled over those that are very concerned to the point of being negative towards the expense. Like the hospital too a new building that gives us 30% more room…… and at what future taxpayer cost. Where previously there was much unused space in the old hospital. Sure some rooms were smaller than ideal but there was extra space such as fourth floor just not utilized.

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HB

- October 30, 2012 at 21:50:14

Wow, gotta love this town. Not a positive thought in sight! We should be proud to have such a facility! We should be happy that we have some community members who not only have the means but actually the community spirit to GIVE their money to such a worthy cause! Hats of the Mr Bragg and Mr Rath! Thank you! To the nay sayers - Halifax is always looking for a few more of you, please contact your real estate guy and list your home!!

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PJ

- October 30, 2012 at 21:31:48

If they wanted a commercial name on it,they should have sold the naming rights and recovered a few of the waster tax dollars. Typical behind-the-scene maneuvering by a few fat cats. If you were going to honour these two, why not Rath-Bragg instead of a name and a corporate name? Bet the announcement was delayed until after the elections so Mills would not have to take responsibility for ANOTHER fail.

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Watchdog waggin

- October 30, 2012 at 19:01:25

For those who don't want the Centre NOTHING will make them happy about this building. For those who embrace this facility you should be thankful that a couple of grassroots businessmen would contribute their resources to fund such a place and deserve the legacy of having it named in their honor.

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Not surprised

- October 30, 2012 at 18:12:48

What ever happened to community giving just for givings sake. Giving back to a community that has made you prosperous, read rich. Why is it so important to stand and beat your chest and see that everyone knows just how much you gave or more importantly, how much you have left. Modesty is indeed a virtue, a virtue that seems to be in short supply. I'll just call it the civic center.

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judy

- October 30, 2012 at 17:59:50

" THE TRURO REC CENTER" ----SHOULD BE PROUD OF TRURO MOVING AHEAD.THIS REC CENTER HAS BEEN WELL OVER DUE FOR ALL AGES.

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Skeptic Al

- October 30, 2012 at 17:40:33

How 'bout this as a comprimise? Community Wrath Eastlink Centre

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RJ

- October 30, 2012 at 17:22:55

Not impressed by the name at all. Why wasn't the community involved in the naming process. It is our centre after all. A community centre should have the name of the community or a reminder of the communinty in the name. I thank these men for their monitary contributions but the name isn't my first pick, no offence to them. After all the Pictou County Wellness Centre isn't called the Sobey's Centre now is it :)

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Bruce Berry

- October 30, 2012 at 17:02:44

Thank you, John! Thank you, Stu! (and I hope I'm speaking for the silent majority)

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  RB

  - October 31, 2012 at 09:01:10

  They should have called it the 'Hemorrhoid Center' because this has been a pain in the a$$ since the whole thing started!!

dilly

- October 30, 2012 at 16:50:48

A little vain perhaps? I will be donating to this building through my taxes until the cows come home, perhaps I could add my name into the title as well. Could be worse I guess, they could have called it "The Cougar Dome". lol

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An embarrassed citizen

- October 30, 2012 at 16:33:31

If some of the comments following this article are representative of those of the community at large then I am embarrassed by the attitude of my fellow residents. To not recognize the largesse of Mr. Rath and Mr. Bragg and others, of their philanthropic contribution is both grossly disrespectful and more than foolish. Were it not for people like these, that give to their community - that being OUR community - we would not have many of the facilities and opportunities that make our home the vibrant and desirable area that it is. You should be grateful for their gift! Take a look at the larger world beyond your own small focus; take your blinders off – how many facilities of this size are NOT named in recognition of companies or individuals that have ‘given back’? Those that have the ability to give to their community and the desire to do so should be thanked for their commitment and their generosity….not chastised for having the ability, the charity and the presence of mind to do so. Take a look at yourselves…do you contribute to your community or do you simply criticize those that do? Do you give of your time, your fiscal ability, your effort, so that others may have? And as for those that are criticizing the name – of course it is named in honor of these men as interior components of the centre will be named for others – in recognition and appreciation of those that have given so that you can benefit, and of course it is named Community Centre – for that is what it is. Not just for Truro and not just for the County of Colchester or any other……..but for OUR community, the whole of our community, as far as it is able to reach and for those that will benefit from its components. Thank you Mr. Bragg and Mr. Rath and all those other individuals and companies that have the foresight to see what a wonderful contribution to MY community this centre will be!

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Blue Jay

- October 30, 2012 at 16:30:58

Well at least these gentleman won't have to change the name of the building when they buy it from the various levels of government for pennies on the dollar of construction costs ...I'd sell it to them now while the gettins good....

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Mike

- October 30, 2012 at 16:16:03

Proud Truro resident I must say I 100% agree with you. I've been defending this building since day 1. We unfourntally live in a place where ppl can't be pleased. It doesn't matter WHAT they named it. I'm 100% sure it woulda got the same reaction. I'll just call it the eastlink center. Maybe still the civic center. Who cares what the official name is and who cares what the siding looks like. It's what it is that matters. A growing town like Truro can not be using a stadium like our current one. It's a old joke. Perfect for a high school arena. If we wanna keep up with other growing communities so other ppl will want to move here we need to be embracing things like this. I know I'm wasting my breath. This town is old and stuck in its way. Small towns are like people, You have to move and grow as time goes on. If not you will be left behind. Way to many haters in this world..

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Susan M

- October 30, 2012 at 16:13:14

I am grateful for the major contributions donated to the community in the form of a sports center. This is something we have been in need of for ...well I can't remember how long! Thank you Stu Rath and John Bragg. I only hope the fees are affordable for the majority.

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  Tracy

  - November 5, 2012 at 14:34:00

  Unfortunately, only those in league with "big business" will be able to afford the fees.... they've been posted and they're outrageous!

gross

- October 30, 2012 at 15:54:51

lol it is not even in Truro.. imagine the Halifax Metro Center being renamed to the Conrad Black Juicy Fruit arena and being placed out by the airport.. sounds pretty stupid eh. Too much underground business in this Town.. what is this, the Sopranos???

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J. Geddes

- October 30, 2012 at 15:43:21

I live in a small community. We needed a new medical centre to attract and maintain doctors. A local business stepped up to the plate to spearhead the move. Private citizens and Service Clubs also assisted. The community needs were realized. The new Centre bears the name of the business. It's an honor bestowed on those who lead. Thank you gentlemen for your community leadership.

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scooter

- October 30, 2012 at 15:33:37

I have to agree with some of the other dissenting views. I understand, and appreciate, the considerable donations made by Mr. Bragg and Mr. Rath but I think that the records would reveal that we, the taxpayers, made the largest contribution. Shouldn't we, therefore, have the right to choose the name? What would happen if McDonald's were to have made a large donation? What about Phillip Morris? Would we call it the McDonalds and Phillip Morris Community Centre? I would certainly support naming the ice surface, changing rooms, or something else after the contributors but not the whole place.

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Rhonda

- October 30, 2012 at 15:13:26

I'm dumbstruck once again!!!!! Rath Eastlink Community Center. OMG!! Why didn't the public have a chance to come up with a name as was the case for the hospital & CEC? Hopefully Rath &Bragg will pay for the upkeep & taxes. What am I thinking! We taxpayers will be footing the bills.I'm surprised it wasn't named Rath-Stanfield community center. Money talks in Truro & that's how you get your name on a building. I'm stilllllllllll dumbstruck!

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Dawn

- October 30, 2012 at 14:53:29

I say THANK YOU to the gentlemen that have contributed to the project and rightfully so name the building after them. These two men have contributed to many projects in our community financially, not once, not twice but numerously! Tax payers shold have been there to speak their minds in the beginning. Oh wait they were......If people weren't complaining about the building, or the name, then they would be complaining about the Legion Stadium flooding, and how there is no place to walk indoors in the winter. I will admit, I'm not completely satisfied with what we ended up with, but now I am greatful to have another place for community events to take place. Things could be 100 times better, but they could always be a million times worse. We need more people to speak up and say the positive things that we have in our county. By the way if anyone would like THEIR name to be a part of the civic center.....BUY A SEAT!

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WOW

- October 30, 2012 at 14:02:04

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit

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  CAM

  - October 30, 2012 at 14:32:39

  Ridiculous!! Not that these men don't deserve recognition - they have done much for their communities and I am thankful. Why not TRURO REC CENTRE then acknowledge these wonderful donations largely in the lobby. If you add up all the $ the taxpayers in town have been forced to donate (be taken from them!), it is much more than these donations. I can very easily name those on the committee just by the name of the centre.... they need to get real and come down from above and mingle with the rest of us! In ending thanks to Stu Rath and John Bragg.

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  snoopy

  - October 30, 2012 at 21:53:39

  There will be complainers who will whine about EVERYTHING regarding this building because they didn't want it but for those who see the value this centre brings to our area and who appreciate the dedication and the financial commitment these two grassroots businessmen have invested in our community they would not begrudge their named legacy for such a great facility.

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  Another way to look at things

  - October 30, 2012 at 22:24:12

  RECC for short.....I think this will work :))

Proud Truro Resident

- October 30, 2012 at 14:00:58

Not surprised once again by the comments, if it's not the color of the siding...the name of the facility....the cost of the project....come on Truro residents you should be embracing this wonderful structure and what it means to our town!!

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  A Critical Eye

  - October 30, 2012 at 15:30:02

  There was a protracted process to assess the needs of the community when this facilty was first proposed. What we've ended up with is nothing like what the community based model was and it isn't located where the community suggested it be located. What we've ended up with is a "structure" that is going to cost taxpayers money on an ongoing basis, competes with local privately owned businesses, and isn't accessable to many in the community (economically or due to location).In reality it is nothing more than a trophy sitting next to the 102 - that's what it is to our town.

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  stevieray

  - October 30, 2012 at 19:07:17

  Most of us aren't from TRURO ............I would suggest we " county " people sell our share of this economic sink hole to the " TOWN ".... Also....I did like " Civic " ..not a big fan of " Community " for this 50 mil building..

chief wiggam

- October 30, 2012 at 13:57:28

why don't the people just rebel and call it something else just for spite?!

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Anne Langille

- October 30, 2012 at 13:18:09

You have got to be kidding! You know what they say MONEY TALK'S!!!!!

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JCR

- October 30, 2012 at 12:54:36

Whose community was the civic centre named for? Truro, Cumberland County or Colchester; don't see Colchester in the name; you should have stayed with Central Nova, that would have included everyone. But I think everyone knew that this would be Truro's Civic Centre, Colchester County residents don't even fit into the mix here. Unfortunately, the old Colchester County Council saw fit to spend our hard earned dollars to foot part of the bill for this ugly and unaffordable building. Meaning no disrespect to the two gentlemen who the building is named, the name does not represent the people of the entire area. The name represents those who had the most money to give. Somewhat like the renaming of the Creamery Square Heritage Building in Tatamagouche; Senator Norrie had nothing to do with Tatamagouche, other than to visit it and yet because of the McCain dollars, they renamed it for her and not the family that started the creamery. Also, why didn't you see fit to allow the people of the community to name the building like the new hospital did. You would have afforded those in the community the respect they deserve and since you are expecting us to use it, you should have included us in the process other than just wanting our money. Very poor way to get started.

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joe

- October 30, 2012 at 12:49:47

that's a dumb and foolish name for a community centre,don't you think,whats wrong whith the name Truro Community Centre or Truro Rec.Center

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Matt

- October 30, 2012 at 12:45:14

Every other arena in North America is named after the company that pays the most for naming rights, so what's the difference? Beats Pictou County Wellness Centre.

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  Sarah

  - October 30, 2012 at 15:54:02

  Pictou County Wellness Centre is a perfectly fine name. Much better than 'Rath Eastlink'! And the building isn't nearly as hideous either!

A Critical Eye

- October 30, 2012 at 12:03:04

Interesting. Yet again another example of money talking. Why would they ever even THINK of letting the COMMUNITY name a COMMUNITY centre ??? What a joke.

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Mr. Slappy

- October 30, 2012 at 11:34:35

As long as they pay for the whole damn thing instead of me they can have it! Where that's not actually the case...It should be named for the ACTUAL major contributors. The" You Didn't Want It But we Rammed It Down Your Throats Anyway Colchester Taxpayers Center"

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  DANA

  - October 30, 2012 at 14:53:11

  Please say this is a joke . How can you use this name , it was not one or two people that made this dream come true, it was a community run funding drive. What was wrong with Central Nova Civic Centre, a name that give credit to all. Shame on the group that picked this name.